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Richard Gerrish
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Re: FSEconomy Users

Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:04 pm

hmmm not seeing them...i've joined Socal Airways tho
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Shawn Goldsworthy
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Re: FSEconomy Users

Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:24 pm

Richard, send a pm to Bill, he can hook you up with the appropriate performance categories based on your pilot certifications but he has to do it manually.
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Re: FSEconomy Users

Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:26 pm

ahhh sounds good. will just keep flying around and banking the money till He gets me in :)
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Re: FSEconomy Users

Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:15 pm

Hey RC, I sent you a PM.


Alright guys, we now have a Cessna 208. Here's the deal though, it's a tad complicated.
We don't own the aircraft yet, it's under lease with Elite Air. The way they have it set up, they put the aircraft into a EA Lease group, with me being a staff member of that group, so I can invite pilots. This aircraft will be considered a medium performance aircraft, so eligible pilots, expect an invitation to an EA lease group sometime in the near future.

I'm working out the details with EA, so that if it were to happen that we lease more than one aircraft in different categories, they will set up EA Lease Groups as follows,

EA Lease SoCal Airways (Low Performance)
EA Lease SoCal Airways (Medium Performance)
EA Lease SoCal Airways (High Performance)

This will allow up to have pilots fly the correct aircraft that they are rated to fly regardless if we own it, or it's leased. I know having memberships to so many groups can be confusing, but in it's own way, this system works well.

The C208 is on a 3 month lease with $100,000 down. This leaves a $490,000 principle, or about $163,300 a month. With our slowing growing pilot force, I think this is a reasonable deal.

If you have any questions regarding this matter, please feel free to shoot me a PM.

Thanks guys,

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Re: FSEconomy Users

Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:41 pm

I love the 208! Where is it currently Bill. I have plenty of time to get it home tonight.
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Re: FSEconomy Users

Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:47 pm

Shawn,

The FSE website is being very slow tonight, I'm having a hard time updating it's information, such as the registration, distance bonus, etc...

Hopefully I will be getting an invite to you guys for the finance group which contains this aircraft soon. Looks like they won't make the custom names until we have established ourselves as reputable customers, something that I don't see being an issue. The group is currently named "EA Finance Grp **6Pack**."

The registration will be N208SA, and it's located in JHM, Hawaii. I was dubious of the Cessna's ability to make the hop to the coast, but a quick check of that aircraft's history told me that a pilot made it to Hawaii from KSFO. I'm guessing no assignments will be carried, as every ounce of space will be reserved for fuel. You'll know that I have everything set up and done when you receive an invite for the group mentioned above, this will happen sometime within the hour.

As always, be sure to set the flight to be flown under "SoCal Airways" and not an aircraft category group.

Thanks, and stay tuned!

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Re: FSEconomy Users

Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:59 pm

A C208 from Hawaii..........interesting. 50 gal/hr and it can hold 330 gal ish. Which gives it an endurance of just shy of 7 hours.

From JHM to KSBA in a straight line is approx 2100nm....anywhere on the coast really is 2000+

Even with a good tailwind and luck into a 210kt GS you're looking at 10 hrs.......................

Not sure how to make that hop.

Suggestions?

I'll do some testing with the plane tonight and see how high I can get it and see what kind of fuel burns I can get out of it. Will post results.
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Re: FSEconomy Users

Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:24 pm

Did some kinda long hauls in the Cheyenne today:

12/03/2009 08:28:36 KVNY O26 N408SA 00:58 145 $1,075.29
12/03/2009 09:39:07 O26 KTVL N408SA 01:01 167 $3,511.25
12/03/2009 15:00:34 KTVL KVNY N408SA 01:51 291 $4,607.86
12/03/2009 16:14:10 KVNY KBLH N408SA 01:04 192 $1,658.19
12/03/2009 17:31:35 KBLH KTSP N408SA 01:07 206 $1,668.73
12/03/2009 18:51:53 KTSP KSBA N408SA 00:41 81 $4,712.90

After all is said and done, deposited 20k into the group account. Growth is good :D
I saw the Cessna in Hawaii.. Not sure how that's gonna work but should be fun to try. :lol:
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Re: FSEconomy Users

Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:11 pm

Shawn,

The only suggestion I can, well, suggest, is to do what I'm pretty sure the other pilot did, and that's make a strong, direct headwind, with no assignments and fuel to the stops. Let me know how that comes along.

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Re: FSEconomy Users

Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:13 pm

Testing right now Bill, I'll crunch the numbers and let you know what I come up with for the Feelthere C208.
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Re: FSEconomy Users

Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:23 pm

Ok the numbers are in. I tested the fuel burn at FL210 (service ceiling of 22,200)

Best fuel burn I can get is 45 gal/hr and with the current wind, I was able to get the GS up to 220kts........Endurance of 7.4hrs

Not even close. With that wind the enroute time is just shy of 9 hrs.

Bill what are the rules of time compression with FSE. 10 hours across the Pacific could get pretty boring.
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Re: FSEconomy Users

Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:34 pm

Time compression within FSE is limited to x16.

I'm running a test right now, let's pretend that there is a tropical storm heading through this area just like the one that the pilot had when he brought the 208 over to Hawaii. What do you know?? I'm getting 300 kts for a GS, and the wind just happens to be heading on a direct course to California!

Haha,
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Re: FSEconomy Users

Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:36 pm

Haha look at that. I'll have it enroute tonight. Looks pretty windy up there!
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Re: FSEconomy Users

Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:53 pm

The Caravan is enroute. Look at that there is a storm. I'm at FL210 and have a GS of 308kts. Sim rate at 4X (offline) because I can't stand flying across the ocean for 8 hours.
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Re: FSEconomy Users

Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:40 pm

Yeah Shawn, I can imagine the scenery not being anything to exciting. Just imagine what fun can and will be had with that bird once it's back home.
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